Is parenting like being an ex-patriot or showing horses? Folks from across the spectrum weigh in, following The New York magazine article "All Joy and No Fun" by Jennifer Senior. The piece has stirred up conversation about whether parenting makes people "happy" or miserable, and makes [some of] us look at what the heck "happiness" is in the first place. How some others are responding to the piece:
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Sarah Wildman, a foreign policy correspondent, likens parenting to being an ex-patriot, where everything is more intense compared to the previous, childless/childfree life:
"When we were expats we liked to say the intensity of experience was different, different from living at home. Living in another language, in another culture, sharpened our senses. When things went wrong, they went disastrously, horribly wrong. But when they were right, the reward was so much sweeter.
Having a kid is a little like being an expat in the world—the highs are that much higher, the lows that much lower, the intensity like nothing else. Joy and pain; tears and laughter; everything that much sharper than it was before."
Read more at politicsdaily.com, where you can't make comments unless you're signed in as an AOL or AIM user. Not Facebook, not Google, freakin' AOL. (Wtf? Who the hell is an AOL user these days?)
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Rufus Griscom, a co-founder of Babble, sent writer Biz
Mitchell on assignment to find out how previous studies worked, studies
that consistently showed higher levels of "happiness" among
childless/childfree people, or among eventual parents before having
kids and during times of life when the kids get more independent.
"Biz
did indeed find a silver lining, carefully extracted from Gilbert and
his fellow gloomy scientists, and it was as follows: though average
happiness goes down when you have kids, experiences of extreme pleasure
and pain increase. In effect, by having kids you are re-submitting your
life to the turbulent intensity — the highs and lows — of earlier
phases of life."
Griscom's new article is here on Babble: where a commenter called tableforthree also says, "For me, parenting is
sort of like travel. There's a lot of suffering when you travel, but
the moments of transcendence and discovery more than make up for the
time stuck in airports."
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Writer Elizabeth Mitchell
("Biz", I assume), delved into issues of happiness and parenting—and
took on the dismal studies—in "Are you happy? Are you sure? Parents
claim to enjoy their kids; researchers say they're deluded" way back in
2006 on Babble. The article is thorough and entertaining.
"And
maybe having children never actually promised happiness. We
misunderstood all those cooing grandparents when they said they were so
happy for us. They truly meant that they were happy, not you. They were
happy you were finally going to be broken of your tenacious
selfishness." Ha, that's pretty good. Misery loves company!
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Amanda Hess of Sexist Beatdown and Sady Doyle of Tiger Beatdown swap some lighthearted, occasionally interesting tidbits about the NY mag article at the Washington City Paper. The piece's intro starts strong, noting that feminist women writers have long bemoaned the drudgery of parenthood, whereas now that men often share the day-to-day miseries, suddenly it's big news that parenting can be a drag.
The comments on this piece are far more thoughtful and thought-provoking than the usual Internet childfree-versus-parenting fare, which is quite nice to see. Too bad the meat of the article tends to brush over real issues in favor of self-congratulatory humor about being childfree. Here are some of the good nuggets:
Amanda: 'I think the happiness part is some new-agey conception of raising children. It’s important to remember that joy aside, the fact is that now a lot of people get to choose whether they have children or not, and if so, when. And so it becomes much more of a quality-of-life question than a biological-necessity one. And so I think it’s fair to expect that you do the thing that you think will make you the happiest. But there’s also a lot of fear-mongering about that, because of that whole ovary-loss thing. So people are like, “If you don’t have kids now, you will never be happy and you’ll regret it for the rest of your life!” And people on the other end are like, “Once you pop it out, there’s no turning back! Life-ruiner!” When, actually, I bet that a lot of people could find meaningful, happy lives doing either of those things.'
Sady: 'I think it’s worth noting that a ton of the parents interviewed, who were speaking most directly about being unhappy and frustrated, were women. Men in that article were mostly “experts,” even if they were also fathers.'
Sady again: 'But I’m also wondering if being told that children are the KEY TO HAPPINESS (if you are a woman) has to do with the disappointment (among women) that children don’t auto-fulfill you? I mean, Simone de Beauvoir talked about this. Her whole deal was that women are told having children will fulfill them, and then it doesn’t, and then they hate their children. Her solution: Make something else in your life more important than getting pregnant?'
Amanda again: 'The story did mention that the most unhappy parents of all were those who were the non-custodial parent (mostly fathers). So having a kid and not raising it? Depressed for life. Having a kid and raising it too much? Also depressed—single parents and moms in general were less happy. Solution: Move to Norway?'
One of their commenters, Rachel in WY: 'to me it’s funny that people don’t conclude from studies like this: the cultural expectations we have are really fucked when it comes to parenting, and especially mothering. Instead, in this narrative it’s the kids themselves that make you unhappy.'
Adds commenter PD: 'In my case, it took me a while to come to the conclusion that I wanted children. I spent a long time agonizing over all the possible issues that could come up when raising children, and debating with myself over whether I was willing and able to handle them. It took my husband maybe a week to come to the same conclusion, and he’s been very serene about it because, I believe, he just hasn’t thought about it very much.'
Says commenter Socrates, a dad: 'If you spend parenting time obsessing that you could be doing something else, well it is hardly surprising you won’t enjoy it. Happiness is a choice a lot of the time.' (Typepad seems to be barfing out on this formatting. My apologies if it comes out weird.)
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Harvard psychology professor Daniel Gilbert, wrote Stumbling on Happiness, a
book that clearly illustrates how kids bum out their parents around
toddlerhood and teenagehood, even though parents say that parenting has
made their lives happier. "When they replicate this study in France,"
says Gilbert to Mitchell, "women in France are not quite as unhappy
when they are interacting with their children as women in the United
States. We could imagine in some cultures it's not true at all.
"The
differences aren't genetic differences. They are cultural differences,
and one cultural difference is that in most of Western Europe people
are not living lives that are quite as — what shall we call them —
professionally frenzied? Running to the job in the morning, coming home
at night, both parents working night and day. People in Europe are a
little more relaxed and are able to spend more time with their
families. And if children were really a source of agony, then the more
time you spend with them the worse you would feel.
"But it
turns out that people who have a little more time to spend with their
kids are happier with them. Which once again points to the problem
being conflict, which is not that children make us unhappy it's that
doing too much makes us unhappy."
These interview snippets come from the same Mitchell article above, on Babble.
While
I'm pretty sick of any sentence involving the word "should" these days,
I appreciate Gilbert's assessment that "Being a parent lowers your
average daily happiness. But average daily happiness isn't all there is
to be said about happiness. Indeed one could make the case that average
happiness across a day isn't what we're trying for. As human beings,
it's not our aim. It shouldn't be our goal.
"What we should be
looking for is special transcendent moments that may even come at the
cost of a lower average. In my own experience that's probably not a bad
description of a day with a kid." Since the article is about parenting,
he doesn't note that these kinds of experiences are frequently felt by
non-parents who take on challenging situations: not light and fun in
every moment, but unbeatably worthwhile in the bigger picture.
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...which is pretty much what I noted on Nymphe in "Meaning & Bigtime Satisfaction vs. Moment-to-Moment Happiness."
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Columnist Bonnie Erbé's article "Childless? Heck No—Child-free!" provides a non-parent point of view on politicsdaily's site. Unfortunately, it breaks little new ground for anyone who follows these issues. The word childless is a sucky way to describe people? Yep, we knew that. People treat you weird if you're childfree/childless by choice in a pronatal, family-centric culture? Yep, knew that too, especially if you're female.
Many childfree people would trade their "accomplishments," experiences, and memories for those of parents any day, we also discover. Well, duh! And many parents feel the same. They wouldn't go back in time and eliminate children from their lives in order to stay childfree forever. This is healthy. This is how we make sense of our lives and find joy in what we do, instead of wallowing in regret and doubt 24 hours a day.
Erbé compares her experiences showing horses with those of parents who bring kids to show their ponies. It's a nice example of different modes of living. Again unfortunately, because I for one would love to see the cliché of self-centered childfrees laid to rest, she comes off as smug, uninterested in other people, and a little shallow. But she does prove that she is happy, which I think was her point.
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Can I just say: come ON, childfree writers, step up to the plate! The parent-writers are kicking your *ass* on this one. At least on the blogs and papers I'm finding. This is exactly the sort of discussion that could lead to greater understanding of the childless/childfree minority by the childed/parenting majority. But being defensive, flippant, and shallow is not gonna engage 'em in the discussion. Urgh.
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Albert Mohler, a Christian blogger on Crosswalk.com, sees in the New York mag article that "Many parents do see their children as described by Senior — as "subjects to be sculpted, stimulated, instructed, groomed." Parental authority is replaced by constant power struggles, lest the children be psychologically warped by a parent who stands in authority. Discipline is replaced by never-ending negotiation. The peace of the home is replaced by constant activity and frenetic energy. The earliest years of a child's life are increasingly filled with organized activity and institutional settings.
No wonder parents are less happy now." Lack of discipline, having kids late in life, and the transition of parenting from a normal life expectation to a lifestyle choice, contribute to the difficulties and unhappiness of modern parenting. Of course there's a solution: Christ!
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Core Knowledge blogger Robert Pondiscio writes of Senior's article: "For those unaccustomed to New York-style navel gazing, the piece can read dangerously close to Onion-style parody—“Parents surprised to learn parenting isn’t fun”—but if you can get past the whiny anecdotes from Manhattan habitués there are interesting ideas to chew on." He takes care to note Senior's discussion of how our currently popular mode of overbearing, overachieving parenthood might be sucking the happiness out of it.
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